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    Re: How important are power cables and power filters?

    Quote Originally Posted by Old Guy View Post
    ????? Very weird reply?

    I said most cables were bullshit and filters can help. NOBODY in this thread said filtering was bullshit. I have no idea where you are coming from on that?

    As far as that filter, it is impossible that it works any better than a GOOD ten dollar one. There ARE laws to physics, and you DO NOT listen to the power source. You listen to it after it has been turned to DC then modulated by the tubes and transistors in your gear.

    And as far as good power cables almost any adequate cable is a good cable.

    Spend what you want. I won't argue, but please don't post we said filtering was bull when we did NOT.

    And I would just as soon not hear about random opinions from the net. If the person holding the opinion has no credentials the opinion is worthless. Sorry.

    There is always a following, even for the worst item on the market, there are people who bought it. Lotsa people claim their white van speakers are great, ignorance is bliss...

    I guess we will get to a point where people will be auditioning boutique power filters.

    As far as opinions on the internet, there are many. Listen to idiots or listen to somebody with 50 years in audio. it's your money.

    You can find ANY opinion you want on the internet.

    I have one final question...you had already bought into the hype before you posted, you got good advice and did not even consider it. Why did you bother asking?

    Sorry I didn't mean you when I was talking about bullshit, don't take that personal.
    But there are some people, maybe also on this forum when we are talking about cables and filtering, they always come with the same story from a guy named Daniel Jackson.
    I know that story, that's a very old story, almost everybody knows that story, but I don't know if his conclusion really is the truth, because I didn't try it out.

    That's the reason why I talked about bullshit, but that is also the reason why I want to try it out myself, sorry I want to be sure.

    I was already planning to buy a power filter, but I was not quiet sure, after you talked about the Corcom filter, I decided to try it also.

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    Re: How important are power cables and power filters?

    Quote Originally Posted by voice of the theater View Post
    OMG, I just clicked on the link and even though it's not in English (is it in German?) it looks like it's $422 for the power filter you're considering--ouch! Way too much!!! I hope it's Wattgate (381 Audio Grade Duplex Socket) compatible......:doh:
    Yes I bought it, but not for 422 euros, I payed only 152 euro (ebay bidding)
    When I get the right cables, you will hear the results.

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    Re: How important are power cables and power filters?

    Quote Originally Posted by AltecLansingFan View Post
    Sorry I didn't mean you when I was talking about bullshit, don't take that personal.
    But there are some people, maybe also on this forum when we are talking about cables and filtering, they always come with the same story from a guy named Daniel Jackson.
    I know that story, that's a very old story, almost everybody knows that story, but I don't know if his conclusion really is the truth, because I didn't try it out.

    That's the reason why I talked about bullshit, but that is also the reason why I want to try it out myself, sorry I want to be sure.

    I was already planning to buy a power filter, but I was not quiet sure, after you talked about the Corcom filter, I decided to try it also.
    The Corcom will require a little DIY as you just get the filter, not wired up in a box.

    The noise component is actually very small, a minute part of the power. Noise filters are a mature technology..nothing new in probably 3 decades. So to buy a $400 one is ludicrous. Million dollar computers use those ten dollar Corcom filters. Don't you think they would use the $400 one if it worked better? Corcom is not the only good brand BTW, I just happen to know them.

    Money would be better spent on the $300 sine wave backup that was mentioned. At least there is a CHANCE it will improve things. And you have over a hundred left.

    The UPS will also correct power sag and brownouts, something no filter will do.


    Again sorry, but my professional opinion is only a moron would buy a $400 power filter.

    And funny ONE person mentions Daniel Jackson and you pretty much dismiss the whole thread. Your mind was already made up.
    Your neighbors called. They like your music.

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    Re: How important are power cables and power filters?

    I don't know much about fancy cables or filters, but I will say a dedicated circuit to the listening room for the audio (lighting on a separate circuit) worked wonders for me. I guess I spent $60 on a new breaker, wire, and regular old duplex outlet. I felt comfortable doing it myself, although I would recommend most folks get a real, licensed electrician to do the job, or at least check it out.
    Chris L.

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    Re: How important are power cables and power filters?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captgonzo View Post
    I don't know much about fancy cables or filters, but I will say a dedicated circuit to the listening room for the audio (lighting on a separate circuit) worked wonders for me. I guess I spent $60 on a new breaker, wire, and regular old duplex outlet.
    Tremendous bang for the buck. I recommend your approach before doing ANYTHING else.

    There are wall boxes of sufficient size to put the Corcom filter inside.

    If you still have issues, then go to a UPS or maybe a constant voltage transformer if needed. But the dedicated line is generally a quantum leap.
    Your neighbors called. They like your music.

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    Re: How important are power cables and power filters?

    I did the dedicated audio circuits and am very happy with it.
    Before that I was using isolation transformers to "stay clean."


    Then I found that good grounding was really all I needed. :doh:

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    Re: How important are power cables and power filters?

    Nearly all audible power-related noise issues I've encountered have been ground-borne. Sorting through single-ended/differential audio lines, signal ground vs. chassis ground, star grounding equipment, ensuring that your work still meets local electrical codes et al. - particularly in a studio setting - is terribly frustrating but is time well-spent.

    So far as special power conditioning or boutique mains cable is concerned, consider that the first thing mains power encounters upon entering most equipment is the primary winding of a power transformer; in other words, a big inductor or low-pass filter. In addition, large capacitors are placed after rectification to minimise ripple. This is all the filtering anyone really requires in nearly all instances...

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    Re: How important are power cables and power filters?

    Today my netfilter arrived.
    Conclusion: sound was never so open, like your room is much bigger now, very straight bass, and a very nice controled detail.
    Best buy for the money!

    And I did not changed any power cables yet.
    My God I never thought power is that important, and can make that difference.
    So my next job is the power cable stuff.

    But maybe these results are only the case in my situation, with my setup.

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    Re: How important are power cables and power filters?

    Quote Originally Posted by AltecLansingFan View Post
    Best buy for the money!
    I would strongly argue that. you could have done the same thing for a third the price. but it wouldn't have been the fancy item you were in love with before you bought it.

    152 bucks is NOT the best buy for the money in power filters.:coffeedrinker:

    OTOH glad you are happy.

    But all you did was a band aid on a problem. As an engineer, I would rather clean up my power FIRST then go to filters.
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    Re: How important are power cables and power filters?

    Quote Originally Posted by Old Guy View Post
    I would strongly argue that. you could have done the same thing for a third the price. but it wouldn't have been the fancy item you were in love with before you bought it.

    152 bucks is NOT the best buy for the money in power filters.:coffeedrinker:

    OTOH glad you are happy.

    But all you did was a band aid on a problem. As an engineer, I would rather clean up my power FIRST then go to filters.

    OK, I agree with you about clean up the power.
    That's why I want to create a separate group for my audio system only in my transformer substation.
    The cable I already bought for that is this one http://www.aegeurolec.nl/downloads/Freco-EMC.pdf
    The special audio fuse in my transformer substation will be this one http://www.kempelektroniks.com/Acces...spx?lang=en-US
    And of course ordinary shielded cables from the system units to a high quality power bar.
    So the power project is still going on.

    BTW What is money;
    If you put your money in a safe, it is gone and if you spend your money, it is also gone :laffingassoff:

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